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		<title>Comment on Federal government awards $2 million for Improving Mathematics Education in Schools project by Evan Roey</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/federal-government-awards-2-million-for-improving-mathematics-education-in-schools-project/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Roey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work of the Federal Government! The Government of the other countries should  take this kind of steps for the Education!
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifestylerescue.com/experts/education-advice/mathematics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mathematics Expert&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work of the Federal Government! The Government of the other countries should  take this kind of steps for the Education!<br />
<a href="http://www.lifestylerescue.com/experts/education-advice/mathematics" rel="nofollow">Mathematics Expert</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University by australia university</title>
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		<dc:creator>australia university</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.... pay cuts everywhere now even in the university...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;. pay cuts everywhere now even in the university&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positions at Australian National University by australia university</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/positions-at-australian-national-university/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator>australia university</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may also wish to call them to find if there&#039;s a vacancy. Some times email just got blocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may also wish to call them to find if there&#8217;s a vacancy. Some times email just got blocked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Journal Ranking &#8212; the Second Incarnation by Philip Brooker</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/journal-ranking-the-second-incarnation/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Brooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the list can be interpreted that way at all. There is very good reason for the &#039;bias&#039; towards &quot;traditional British empire journals&quot;, namely that the advent of widely-published periodic journals has coincided with the dominance of Western mathematics in the last few centuries. Other cultures have had golden ages of mathematics in centuries past, but they didn&#039;t seem to produce any journals that endure to this day. So it is only natural that journals started in the West are dominant at the moment.

Moreover, it is suggested that if someone is not of the preferred ethnicity, the their work carries no academic merit. That is absolutely false. The ARC does not evaluate research proposals on the basis of ethnicity, and the fact that so-called traditional British empire journals (there are plenty of high-ranking Continental journals as well) rank highly does not discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, because such journals do not only accept submissions from people from some preferred ethnic background or nationality, but rather from people anywhere in the world. To see that this is the case you only need to look at the contents web-sites of journals online. Ever since the advent of Acta Mathematica more than one hundred and twenty-five years ago (long before ARC journal rankings existed!), journals have become increasingly international and do not just publish submissions from people born and working in the country in which the journal is published. If that wasn&#039;t the case, then Australian mathematicians would only publish in Australian journals and the ARC ranking list would be less than 1% as long as it is now.

Even if it is the case that higher-ranking journals do have a higher proportion of articles from researchers based in certain countries, this will be because that country has, on the whole, a stronger research culture than other countries. As noted above, rich Western countries have better funding and stronger research cultures in general. That&#039;s not racist, it&#039;s just a fact of life. This may change in the future, just as dominance (mathematically speaking) shifted from Germany to the United States with people fleeing the Third Reich and then the Cold War.

I think that if mathematicians world-wide did look closely at the list, they would likely quietly disagree with a handful of the rankings, but agree on the whole that the ranking is about right. Whether or not a journal ranking is an appropriate metric for assessing a research proposal is another matter altogether. The main criticism of this journal ranking list is/was primarily that too many journals and other publications were left off the list. This might be addressed as the process is fine-tuned, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the list can be interpreted that way at all. There is very good reason for the &#8216;bias&#8217; towards &#8220;traditional British empire journals&#8221;, namely that the advent of widely-published periodic journals has coincided with the dominance of Western mathematics in the last few centuries. Other cultures have had golden ages of mathematics in centuries past, but they didn&#8217;t seem to produce any journals that endure to this day. So it is only natural that journals started in the West are dominant at the moment.</p>
<p>Moreover, it is suggested that if someone is not of the preferred ethnicity, the their work carries no academic merit. That is absolutely false. The ARC does not evaluate research proposals on the basis of ethnicity, and the fact that so-called traditional British empire journals (there are plenty of high-ranking Continental journals as well) rank highly does not discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, because such journals do not only accept submissions from people from some preferred ethnic background or nationality, but rather from people anywhere in the world. To see that this is the case you only need to look at the contents web-sites of journals online. Ever since the advent of Acta Mathematica more than one hundred and twenty-five years ago (long before ARC journal rankings existed!), journals have become increasingly international and do not just publish submissions from people born and working in the country in which the journal is published. If that wasn&#8217;t the case, then Australian mathematicians would only publish in Australian journals and the ARC ranking list would be less than 1% as long as it is now.</p>
<p>Even if it is the case that higher-ranking journals do have a higher proportion of articles from researchers based in certain countries, this will be because that country has, on the whole, a stronger research culture than other countries. As noted above, rich Western countries have better funding and stronger research cultures in general. That&#8217;s not racist, it&#8217;s just a fact of life. This may change in the future, just as dominance (mathematically speaking) shifted from Germany to the United States with people fleeing the Third Reich and then the Cold War.</p>
<p>I think that if mathematicians world-wide did look closely at the list, they would likely quietly disagree with a handful of the rankings, but agree on the whole that the ranking is about right. Whether or not a journal ranking is an appropriate metric for assessing a research proposal is another matter altogether. The main criticism of this journal ranking list is/was primarily that too many journals and other publications were left off the list. This might be addressed as the process is fine-tuned, I guess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Journal Ranking &#8212; the Second Incarnation by Philip Brooker</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/journal-ranking-the-second-incarnation/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Brooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up my earlier comment, the journal ranking list recommended to the ARC by AustMS is available at http://www.austms.org.au/AustMS+-+Journal+Ranking+-+2009 , and it seems that the recommended ranking of the Journal of the Australian Mathematical Society is A (as opposed to B; see above). Good news for the journal if the recommendation is accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up my earlier comment, the journal ranking list recommended to the ARC by AustMS is available at <a href="http://www.austms.org.au/AustMS+-+Journal+Ranking+-+2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.austms.org.au/AustMS+-+Journal+Ranking+-+2009</a> , and it seems that the recommended ranking of the Journal of the Australian Mathematical Society is A (as opposed to B; see above). Good news for the journal if the recommendation is accepted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Positions at Australian National University by teachers melbourne</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/positions-at-australian-national-university/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>teachers melbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to get the help of teacher recruitment agencies who can understand your requirements. There is greater  possibility of getting the right math teacher for the job there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to get the help of teacher recruitment agencies who can understand your requirements. There is greater  possibility of getting the right math teacher for the job there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mathematics skills out for the count by Phil Harmsworth</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/mathematics-skills-out-for-the-count/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Harmsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, a letter from David Burford in &#039;The Age&#039; 28/10, states that:
&#039;Two weeks ago, I was one of three maths and science teachers on contracts who were told they would not be required next year. The principal would be re-advertising our jobs as &#039;&#039;graduate positions&#039;&#039; (for newly qualified teachers), for which none of us would be eligible.
We have all been avidly searching for work for the past four months. Between us we have only been able to obtain one job interview.&#039;

He goes on to state that he&#039;s seen few ads this year for anything other than graduate positions in his subjects [physics, mathematics and chemistry].

Hardly an incentive for anyone who wishes to become a secondary mathematics teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, a letter from David Burford in &#8216;The Age&#8217; 28/10, states that:<br />
&#8216;Two weeks ago, I was one of three maths and science teachers on contracts who were told they would not be required next year. The principal would be re-advertising our jobs as &#8221;graduate positions&#8221; (for newly qualified teachers), for which none of us would be eligible.<br />
We have all been avidly searching for work for the past four months. Between us we have only been able to obtain one job interview.&#8217;</p>
<p>He goes on to state that he&#8217;s seen few ads this year for anything other than graduate positions in his subjects [physics, mathematics and chemistry].</p>
<p>Hardly an incentive for anyone who wishes to become a secondary mathematics teacher.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University by Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University &#8230; Victoria University VU China</title>
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		<dc:creator>Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University &#8230; Victoria University VU China</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] original here:  Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University &#8230;          By admin &#124; category: victoria university &#124; tags: elizabeth-harman, geoff-prince, hit-out, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] original here:  Message from AMSI regarding proposed cuts at Victoria University &#8230;          By admin | category: victoria university | tags: elizabeth-harman, geoff-prince, hit-out, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on USQ, the supply of mathematics skills, and mathematics teacher training by Richard Marschall</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/usq-the-supply-of-mathematics-skills-and-mathematics-teacher-training/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Marschall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there is any shortage of mathematically trained people in Australia.  I have served on several faculty search committees and we always received around 150 applications for just one open position.  At least 50 of those people were well qualified for that position.  

Likewise in my company, we have no trouble finding suitably skilled people (mostly programmers) even on a short term contract basis.

At the primary education and high school level, I note that two of the people who do tree trimming and gardening for me used to teach mathematics in NSW schools.   They are knowledgeable in Logic, Set Theory, and Algebraic Topology, qualified and experienced in education, yet they work as gardeners.

It is a cruel, Dilbert/Dogbert like joke to encourage more students to enroll and seek jobs in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any shortage of mathematically trained people in Australia.  I have served on several faculty search committees and we always received around 150 applications for just one open position.  At least 50 of those people were well qualified for that position.  </p>
<p>Likewise in my company, we have no trouble finding suitably skilled people (mostly programmers) even on a short term contract basis.</p>
<p>At the primary education and high school level, I note that two of the people who do tree trimming and gardening for me used to teach mathematics in NSW schools.   They are knowledgeable in Logic, Set Theory, and Algebraic Topology, qualified and experienced in education, yet they work as gardeners.</p>
<p>It is a cruel, Dilbert/Dogbert like joke to encourage more students to enroll and seek jobs in this area.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jurassic Quark by Terence Tao</title>
		<link>http://austmaths.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/jurassic-quark/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Terence Tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you&#039;re right... I changed the description accordingly.  (It would have been great if they could actually round up some CSIRO scientists to perform, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right&#8230; I changed the description accordingly.  (It would have been great if they could actually round up some CSIRO scientists to perform, though.)</p>
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